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	<title>Comments on: Is a 300% Mark-Up On Lender-Placed Insurance Justified?</title>
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		<title>By: FP Insider</title>
		<link>http://www.fhaloanpros.com/2008/04/is-a-300-mark-up-on-lender-placed-insurance-justified/#comment-65193</link>
		<dc:creator>FP Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the reason why it's 3 times regular insurance is because you are being insured site unseen.  So the insurance company your Lender hires is taking a huge risk to insure everyone who defaults on their contract.  Our company will cancel immediately upon a fax of an inforce policy whether it's one day or 364 days after placement.  In addition, the homeowner usually has 3 letters in hand 30 or so days apart warning they need to fax their proof or give us their agents phone, the last notice being the actual policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the reason why it&#8217;s 3 times regular insurance is because you are being insured site unseen.  So the insurance company your Lender hires is taking a huge risk to insure everyone who defaults on their contract.  Our company will cancel immediately upon a fax of an inforce policy whether it&#8217;s one day or 364 days after placement.  In addition, the homeowner usually has 3 letters in hand 30 or so days apart warning they need to fax their proof or give us their agents phone, the last notice being the actual policy.</p>
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		<title>By: joseph lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.

My story (ongoing)

I had a lapse on my commercial property for a disputed amount of time between February 2007 and July 2007.  Without question, I had a policy by July 2007.  My normal rate is less than $1500/month.  In September 2007, WAMU took out insurance for me for February 2007 thruough July 2007.  

NO future time was covered under the Forced insurance, ONLY a time in the past.  $37,000 was the cost.  

No rollback provision in my contract so far as forced placed insurance.

What I told WAMU (now CHASE). If WAMU states that every loan customer who has had a lapse is automatically covered by this "retroactive" insurance, I have nothing to say.  They will not say that to me.  What that means is, once they determine that the building is standing, they get the "retroactive" insurance.  That is cherry picking and maybe worse.  

joe lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.</p>
<p>My story (ongoing)</p>
<p>I had a lapse on my commercial property for a disputed amount of time between February 2007 and July 2007.  Without question, I had a policy by July 2007.  My normal rate is less than $1500/month.  In September 2007, WAMU took out insurance for me for February 2007 thruough July 2007.  </p>
<p>NO future time was covered under the Forced insurance, ONLY a time in the past.  $37,000 was the cost.  </p>
<p>No rollback provision in my contract so far as forced placed insurance.</p>
<p>What I told WAMU (now CHASE). If WAMU states that every loan customer who has had a lapse is automatically covered by this &#8220;retroactive&#8221; insurance, I have nothing to say.  They will not say that to me.  What that means is, once they determine that the building is standing, they get the &#8220;retroactive&#8221; insurance.  That is cherry picking and maybe worse.  </p>
<p>joe lee</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lender-placed insurance is insurance placed on a piece of property by your lender to protect their interest. If, for any reason, you cannot obtain an insurance policy, your lender must take precautionary steps to ensure that coverage is in place to protect their interest. Lender-placed insurance is not meant to protect your personal belongings, and borrowers cannot file any personal claims under lender-placed policies. This is why it is vital for you to maintain your own insurance. 

Generally, lender-placed insurance is coverage to protect against damage to the property being financed or leased only. Liability coverage is excluded.

Yes, lender placed insurance is 2 to 5 times more expensive than your regular insurance policy. For example, when you purchase a homeowners policy, the insurance company who will supply the coverage has the opportunity to gather information on your property. The insurance company evaluates the types of materials your house is made of (wood, brick, stone), where it is located (suburbs, inner city, fault line, flood zone), and what type of environment surrounds your house (river, cliff, lake). After the statistics are gathered, companies do a risk analysis. The premium amount is generated through the underwriting of this risk analysis. With lender-placed insurance there isn't an opportunity to perform a risk analysis and underwrite a premium tailored to your property. Therefore lender placed insurance is minimal coverage with higher rates than if you had underwriting done on your individual policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lender-placed insurance is insurance placed on a piece of property by your lender to protect their interest. If, for any reason, you cannot obtain an insurance policy, your lender must take precautionary steps to ensure that coverage is in place to protect their interest. Lender-placed insurance is not meant to protect your personal belongings, and borrowers cannot file any personal claims under lender-placed policies. This is why it is vital for you to maintain your own insurance. </p>
<p>Generally, lender-placed insurance is coverage to protect against damage to the property being financed or leased only. Liability coverage is excluded.</p>
<p>Yes, lender placed insurance is 2 to 5 times more expensive than your regular insurance policy. For example, when you purchase a homeowners policy, the insurance company who will supply the coverage has the opportunity to gather information on your property. The insurance company evaluates the types of materials your house is made of (wood, brick, stone), where it is located (suburbs, inner city, fault line, flood zone), and what type of environment surrounds your house (river, cliff, lake). After the statistics are gathered, companies do a risk analysis. The premium amount is generated through the underwriting of this risk analysis. With lender-placed insurance there isn&#8217;t an opportunity to perform a risk analysis and underwrite a premium tailored to your property. Therefore lender placed insurance is minimal coverage with higher rates than if you had underwriting done on your individual policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Riley</title>
		<link>http://www.fhaloanpros.com/2008/04/is-a-300-mark-up-on-lender-placed-insurance-justified/#comment-41623</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jefferey,
I am confused by your contentions that borrowers are unaware of lender placed insurance costs and the characterization that it is tantamount to an ambush.  My background includes time spent within community banks and most recently underwriting financial institution insurance, with a focus on collateral protection.

First some facts:
1)Most, if not all, loan provisions have a clause detailing actions the institution will take in the event primary insurance, which is required as part of the loan agreement, lapses.  The idea that a borrower is caught of guard would only be legitimate if they did not read the documents they were signing.  Furthermore most contain language stating that the insurance procured will be for the banks benefit only, and at substantially higher cost.

2)In terms of the higher costs of the insurance this is a necessary increase.  Banks do not want to place insurance, it is costly in terms of FTE's and even though most are passed on to the borrower it actually costs them to continuously check for required insurance and then report the necessary properties.  Futhermore there is a school of thought that higher lender placed insurance coverage serves as an incentive to the borrower to find better, cheaper coverage elsewhere.

I think we can all agree that occasionally there are unintentional lapses of primary insurance coverage.  When this occurs most institutions will only charge for the specific number of days that coverage was required, as most insurance carriers have a pro rata clause.

As far as ways to improve this process perhaps its better to find a solution that already is proven and exists on the market instead of developing a new one that requires substantial involvement by the borrower.  A solid case can be made for full blanket, mortgage impairment insurance.  Usually mortgage impairment insurance works in conjunction with a bank's lender placed program but the full blanket, ex-checking variety allows the institution to stop checking for required insurance.  Endorsements can be added that then state even if an institution finds a borrower has lapsed coverage, they are still protected.  While the bank bears the cost of this coverage, as it is impossible to pass through, the resulting reduction in operational expenses spent tracking and placing provides an offset.  The only potential issue is that few insurers allow this to be a dual interest policy, so the borrowers equity may not be protected.  

Just a few thoughts,

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jefferey,<br />
I am confused by your contentions that borrowers are unaware of lender placed insurance costs and the characterization that it is tantamount to an ambush.  My background includes time spent within community banks and most recently underwriting financial institution insurance, with a focus on collateral protection.</p>
<p>First some facts:<br />
1)Most, if not all, loan provisions have a clause detailing actions the institution will take in the event primary insurance, which is required as part of the loan agreement, lapses.  The idea that a borrower is caught of guard would only be legitimate if they did not read the documents they were signing.  Furthermore most contain language stating that the insurance procured will be for the banks benefit only, and at substantially higher cost.</p>
<p>2)In terms of the higher costs of the insurance this is a necessary increase.  Banks do not want to place insurance, it is costly in terms of FTE&#8217;s and even though most are passed on to the borrower it actually costs them to continuously check for required insurance and then report the necessary properties.  Futhermore there is a school of thought that higher lender placed insurance coverage serves as an incentive to the borrower to find better, cheaper coverage elsewhere.</p>
<p>I think we can all agree that occasionally there are unintentional lapses of primary insurance coverage.  When this occurs most institutions will only charge for the specific number of days that coverage was required, as most insurance carriers have a pro rata clause.</p>
<p>As far as ways to improve this process perhaps its better to find a solution that already is proven and exists on the market instead of developing a new one that requires substantial involvement by the borrower.  A solid case can be made for full blanket, mortgage impairment insurance.  Usually mortgage impairment insurance works in conjunction with a bank&#8217;s lender placed program but the full blanket, ex-checking variety allows the institution to stop checking for required insurance.  Endorsements can be added that then state even if an institution finds a borrower has lapsed coverage, they are still protected.  While the bank bears the cost of this coverage, as it is impossible to pass through, the resulting reduction in operational expenses spent tracking and placing provides an offset.  The only potential issue is that few insurers allow this to be a dual interest policy, so the borrowers equity may not be protected.  </p>
<p>Just a few thoughts,</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Bernal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan Bernal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey, not only is 3 times or sometimes 5 times more expensive but it is also a "stripped-down" version of a HO policy. 

Because of what you mention in your article, more than a year ago we started developing a new insurance product to eliminate Force-Placed insurance. And we did. A few months ago we filed 4 patents on a new product that is voluntary, it includes a property and flood policy, and the insurance carrier is Lloyds. We are now ready to sell the product and we are appointing a few Agencies throughout the Country.

The punitive nature of Force-Placed has created a 10 billion/yr. business/monopoly for the Force Placed Insurance Companies that is imposible to break without viable alternatives that benefit the Homeowners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey, not only is 3 times or sometimes 5 times more expensive but it is also a &#8220;stripped-down&#8221; version of a HO policy. </p>
<p>Because of what you mention in your article, more than a year ago we started developing a new insurance product to eliminate Force-Placed insurance. And we did. A few months ago we filed 4 patents on a new product that is voluntary, it includes a property and flood policy, and the insurance carrier is Lloyds. We are now ready to sell the product and we are appointing a few Agencies throughout the Country.</p>
<p>The punitive nature of Force-Placed has created a 10 billion/yr. business/monopoly for the Force Placed Insurance Companies that is imposible to break without viable alternatives that benefit the Homeowners.</p>
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